The economics of sex

topic posted Wed, March 12, 2008 - 12:32 PM by 
Many times politicians find themselves caught in illegal or immoral sexual situations. Their choice to do such things makes their punishment appropriate, but the fact that such things ARE illegal or immoral is a problem in and of itself.

The time has come to stop viewing sex as bad, evil, criminal, abnormal and aberrant. Sexual pleasure is essential to the foundation of any society. The hypocrisy which seeks to control it by condemning it is outdated and it's time to cast off this silly preconceptions.

Everyone has sex. Everyone wants sex. Everyone needs sex.

Like all generalizations this one is universally true and situationally false. Presuming this may or may not be harmful, but for the last few thousand years we've been assuming the opposite which IS harmful.

We're not even talking about sex as reproduction. We're talking about the human need to touch and receive touch. Some cultures view sensuality as an element of spirituality--this too I am not talking about. I am just speaking of the basic physical and social need.

Setting aside sex and the irrational drive to perform sexual acts, lets consider another fact of life: eating. We in the US no longer eat to survive. We eat for pleasure, social interaction, comfort, and many other reasons--all of which also apply to sex. If eating gets out of hand it is a disorder, as is sex. But if one chooses to eat something different or to sample multiple types of dishes at one time, we don't lock them up, do we?

In an age where birth control is nearly ubiquitous, STD tests are accessible to most, paternity tests are quite accurate, condoms are damn cheap, women are the owners of their bodies, and sexual orientation is no longer seen as deviancy, why are we still so hard on the sex act itself?

Throughout the country family is being redefined as step, foster, and surrogate parents fight for rights as those who love and care for children. Genetic relation is far less important that emotional and social bonds--always has been.

If you LOVE someone, sex will NOT stop that love. If you trust someone, sex will not destroy that trust. However, if you are jealous, possessive, controlling, and medieval, you force both yourself and the one you love into a corner.


Imagine for a moment that prostitution was controlled, monitored, taxed, and a trade that required training and education--much like other types of labor. Just as one would object to an unskilled laborer building their house, no one would pay a street-corner hooker for sex. Just as women no longer need to cook dinner and allow their husbands to eat at a restaurant, so would they allow their men to visit health-code monitored brothels.

Most of the time sexual relationships consist of a exchange of goods and services, anyway. In today's era, not pleasing one's spouse is reason enough for divorce. So why not skip the divorce and let someone else do the hard work? You still keep your partner, friend, and parent of our children, but s/he goes elsewhere to get her nails, hair, and "O" taken care of.

Instead we waste millions of dollars in lawsuits, risk families and friends, ruin careers, and feed the media monster with the concerns of who did what with whoever else. We'd be far better of taking the time to study and understand the social reasons that people fail to be sexually monogamous.

If every sex worker--male and female--paid a tax towards health care, I bet there'd be enough dough to provide care for every child. Moreover, the culture would change to ensure there were no unwanted, unwelcome, or unloved children.
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  • Re: The economics of sex

    Tue, March 18, 2008 - 7:29 AM
    Humans have this irrational impulse to censor concepts and actions that shed light on their true nature. Truth is something we generally cannot live with because it reminds us of the void and terrifies us, so we create other "truths" to compensate that are less frigtening..religious truths, moral truths, best-for-society-at-large truths...which actually have no objective refrence.

    Sex is the worst though.....a boob slips out an it's a scandal, but turn on the tv anytime and see pepole getting killed, shit blowing up, and people getting into fights both fictional and real. Talk about fucked up priorities.

    Movies have dialouge censored should it have refrences to sex or body functions, but there is no censoring of the blood splatter and explosions. They are not allowed to say VAGINA on television.

    And right wing religious retards are against sex education as a morality issue...I suppose if they keep their kids ignorant, sex will never turn into a problem like an unwanted pregnancy, and natural things like menstruation will NOT be an episode of terror and discomfort, and the truth the parents can live with about reporduction..the STORK story..will hang on just long enough in the kids mind to get them knocked up in time for their first marriage
  • Are Humans Meant to be Monogamous?

    Wed, March 19, 2008 - 10:49 AM
    From LiveScience via Yahoo News: news.yahoo.com/s/livescie...emonogamous

    News of politicians' extramarital affairs seems to be in no short supply lately, but if humans were cut from exactly the same cloth as other mammals, a faithful spouse would be an unusual phenomenon.

    Only 3 percent to 5 percent of the roughly 5,000 species of mammals (including humans) are known to form lifelong, monogamous bonds, with the loyal superstars including beavers, wolves and some bats.

    Social monogamy is a term referring to creatures that pair up to mate and raise offspring but still have flings. Sexually monogamous pairs mate with only with one partner. So a cheating husband who detours for a romantic romp yet returns home in time to tuck in the kids at night would be considered socially monogamous.

    Beyond that, scientists' definitions for monogamy vary.

    Evolutionary psychologists have suggested that men are more likely to have extramarital sex, partially due to the male urge to "spread genes" by broadcasting sperm. Both males and females, these scientists say, try to up their evolutionary progress by seeking out high-quality mates, albeit in different ways.

    The committed partnership between a man and a woman evolved, some say, for the well-being of children.

    "The human species has evolved to make commitments between males and females in regards to raising their offspring, so this is a bond," said Jane Lancaster, an evolutionary anthropologist at the University of New Mexico. "However that bond can fit into all kinds of marriage patterns - polygyny, single parenthood, monogamy."

    The human species is somewhat unique amongst mammals in that fathers do invest in raising children.

    "We do know that in humans we do have this pretty strong pair bond, and there's more paternal investment than in most other primates," said Daniel Kruger, a social and evolutionary psychologist at the University of Michigan's School of Public Health. "We're special in this regard, but at the same time like most mammals, we are a polygynous species." Kruger said humans are considered "mildly polygynous," in which a male mates with more than one female.

    Whether or not the married or otherwise committed individuals stray for sex depends on the costs and benefits.

    "There is plenty of evidence that males have less to lose than females by having extramarital sex," Lancaster said. "Having less to lose, it's easier for them to do it."

    Women, however, could lose "dad's" resources when it comes to raising their kids. "For women, the well-being of their children is not improved by promiscuity," Lancaster told LiveScience.

    Some scientists view both social and sexual monogamy in humans as a societal structure rather than a natural state.

    "I don't think we are a monogamous animal," said Pepper Schwartz, a professor of sociology at the University of Washington in Seattle. "A really monogamous animal is a goose - which never mates again even if its mate is killed."

    She added, "Monogamy is invented for order and investment - but not necessarily because it's 'natural.'"
    • Re: Are Humans Meant to be Monogamous?

      Fri, June 27, 2008 - 6:29 PM
      <Evolutionary psychologists have suggested that men are more likely to have extramarital sex, partially due to the male urge to "spread genes" by broadcasting sperm. Both males and females, these scientists say, try to up their evolutionary progress by seeking out high-quality mates, albeit in different ways.>

      That is not true, married men, like dominate wolves, sea lions etc, spend there time safe guarding the relationship against invading males. It's the females that cheat, I believe this bares out statistically among humans, that females are more likely to have affairs then men. Given that this statement is so off from the truth, I have to assume that the entire article is nothing more then poorly researched conjecture.
      • UNFAIRNESS ALERT: I have the data

        Mon, June 30, 2008 - 12:18 AM
        >>I believe this bares out statistically among humans, that females are more likely to have affairs then men.<<

        Can you offer some data to back this belief up?

        >>I have to assume that the entire article is nothing more then poorly researched conjecture. <<

        So - you *do* have the data? Or is your belief just.... uh... poorly researched conjecture?
        • Re: UNFAIRNESS ALERT: I have the data

          Mon, June 30, 2008 - 8:14 PM
          (psst: men and women equally likely to cheat)
          • Re: UNFAIRNESS ALERT: I have the data

            Mon, June 30, 2008 - 11:27 PM
            Monogamy is a social restriction, inherited from centuries of Christian domination of western culture.

            It's not "cheating" so much as failing to resist natural instinct in the face of cultural pressure.

            But it goes back millions of years to our development as homosapien proper:

            Men are biologically capable of impregnating thousands of women during normal human gestation period while women can only reproduce once during the same period...meaning that male impulse is to mate with as many women as possible to increase the chances of his own genetic offspring surviving. Men are programmed to seek multiple partners as a result of evolution. There IS an intrest in a long term relationship in the presence of offspring in the event that a proper candidate has been found as added insurance to the offsprings survival..but is secondary to the casting of a large genetic net by frequent impregnation in multiple recipients.


            Female impulse, due to being physically disadvantaged during pregnancy (unable to out run jackals, requiring larger amounts of food), is to find a prime genetic candidate with an apparent economic (food, physical strength, low competition from other females) stability. The standards for this drop with the quality of the available candidates in the area, however if a better candidate comes along her impulse is to attempt to attract it.

            Yes, some men cheat for love (economic factors, paring) and some women cheat for sex. (multiple gentic candidates) .both men and women only differ by a few chromosomes. Men have nipples. Women ejaculate..there is sexual crossover all the time, but fundamentally the issue is that mating and attraction are about spreading the DNA, culture takes a backseat.

            And there is the issue of love....while society would have us pair up for once and forever and make insane assumptions like "meeting THE ONE makes all others unattractive for life", I suspect many people have a real ability to "truly love" more than one person. People are full of love, why not spread it around? This is the basis for many open relationships, and the basis for many non-western cultures polygamous social structures.
          • Re: UNFAIRNESS ALERT: I have the data

            Mon, June 30, 2008 - 11:28 PM
            Monogamy is a social restriction, inherited from centuries of Christian domination of western culture.

            It's not "cheating" so much as failing to resist natural instinct in the face of cultural pressure.

            But it goes back millions of years to our development as homosapien proper:

            Men are biologically capable of impregnating thousands of women during normal human gestation period while women can only reproduce once during the same period...meaning that male impulse is to mate with as many women as possible to increase the chances of his own genetic offspring surviving. Men are programmed to seek multiple partners as a result of evolution. There IS an intrest in a long term relationship in the presence of offspring in the event that a proper candidate has been found as added insurance to the offsprings survival..but is secondary to the casting of a large genetic net by frequent impregnation in multiple recipients.


            Female impulse, due to being physically disadvantaged during pregnancy (unable to out run jackals, requiring larger amounts of food), is to find a prime genetic candidate with an apparent economic (food, physical strength, low competition from other females) stability. The standards for this drop with the quality of the available candidates in the area, however if a better candidate comes along her impulse is to attempt to attract it.

            Yes, some men cheat for love (economic factors, paring) and some women cheat for sex. (multiple gentic candidates) .both men and women only differ by a few chromosomes. Men have nipples. Women ejaculate..there is sexual crossover all the time, but fundamentally the issue is that mating and attraction are about spreading the DNA, culture takes a backseat.

            And there is the issue of love....while society would have us pair up for once and forever and make insane assumptions like "meeting THE ONE makes all others unattractive for life", I suspect many people have a real ability to "truly love" more than one person. People are full of love, why not spread it around? This is the basis for many open relationships, and the basis for many non-western cultures polygamous social structures.

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